Michael Pachla: NHL Combine equals plenty of opportunity for trade-talk trade. Mantha-watch Detroit's Anthony Mantha not being mentioned in the same breath as other Wings' prospects right now. Possible trade candidate?

Michael Pachla: NHL Combine equals plenty of opportunity for trade-talk trade. Mantha-watch
Detroit's Anthony Mantha not being mentioned in the same breath as other Wings' prospects right now. Possible trade candidate?
- Michael Pachla

Anthony Mantha is "A better Rick Nash" This is what I was told.

Pass on Mantha for Psysk

who for mantha then, 89?

Any truth to the devils having 3, 1st round picks next year ?

Any truth to the devils having 3, 1st round picks next year ?
- cabin

where'd that come from?

Any truth to the devils having 3, 1st round picks next year ?
- cabin

They need all the help they can get. Probably should hold onto them if true.

Mantha has struggled this season, has looked like he isn't trying hard enough.

Mantha has struggled this season, has looked like he isn't trying hard enough.

- seedy

He's the not first kid to have that happen. Some of the high skill guys haven't really ever faced adversity and don't know how to handle it. Some manage to turn it back around and put in the time and effort needed to up their game at the next level. Others end up just wallowing and don't ever end up improving. Only time will tell what Mantha ends up doing.

May just be me but seems the biger bodied guys hit the wall like he did. I think the guys are just bigger earlier and get by with size and others catch up to them much faster.

Anyone see the Mem cup Final great game

He's the not first kid to have that happen. Some of the high skill guys haven't really ever faced adversity and don't know how to handle it. Some manage to turn it back around and put in the time and effort needed to up their game at the next level. Others end up just wallowing and don't ever end up improving. Only time will tell what Mantha ends up doing.
- HonkFortheGoose

from kris baker's 2013 mock draft:

#22 CALGARY (from St. Louis) – Anthony Mantha
RW, 6’4”, 190 lbs. (Val-d’Or, QMJHL)
Mantha, a pure goal scorer with good size and skating, blinks on the radar as the Flames keep stockpiling big bodies to compete in the West. A 50-goal scorer in the QMJHL, Mantha’s ability to get up and down while being tough to knock off the puck could turn into a major asset once his two-way consistency and work ethic comes around.

I'd rather have Pysyk than Mantha.


Especially if Gorges plays the way he did last season

from kris baker's 2013 mock draft:

#22 CALGARY (from St. Louis) – Anthony Mantha
RW, 6’4”, 190 lbs. (Val-d’Or, QMJHL)
Mantha, a pure goal scorer with good size and skating, blinks on the radar as the Flames keep stockpiling big bodies to compete in the West. A 50-goal scorer in the QMJHL, Mantha’s ability to get up and down while being tough to knock off the puck could turn into a major asset once his two-way consistency and work ethic comes around.
- Michael Pachla

Seems work ethic is something that's always been an issue.

I'd rather have Pysyk than Mantha.


Especially if Gorges plays the way he did last season
- CaptainRivet

keep seeing that brought up...and how Nolan sucked...

major point of last season: had this team played any better, had been coached any better or had the coach been given better players, we'd be up in arms about how this organization totally blew it in the mceichel sweepstakes

true?

He's the not first kid to have that happen. Some of the high skill guys haven't really ever faced adversity and don't know how to handle it. Some manage to turn it back around and put in the time and effort needed to up their game at the next level. Others end up just wallowing and don't ever end up improving. Only time will tell what Mantha ends up doing.
- HonkFortheGoose

Unless TM feels we have too many D prospects and not enough forwards in the pipeline, i'd pass. we have enough "project players" to work on. If Detroit is starting to question the development of a player, I would question it too.
I'd prefer to see TM trade away any combination of players for someone who can join the team right now. if he's looking to trade a prospect for a prospect, then is must be due to a lack of players in a specific position.

Seems work ethic is something that's always been an issue.
- HonkFortheGoose

yup...Holland knew it drafting him, knew it when he talked about too much success too early

I'd rather have Pysyk than Mantha.


Especially if Gorges plays the way he did last season
- CaptainRivet

I'm wondering how many games Gorges actually played NOT injured. Seemed he was fighting though an injury most of the games he played.

keep seeing that brought up...and how Nolan sucked...

major point of last season: had this team played any better, had been coached any better or had the coach been given better players, we'd be up in arms about how this organization totally blew it in the mceichel sweepstakes

true?
- Michael Pachla

Didn't Georges reveal that he had a nagging injury most of last season? Or am I thinking of someone else?
And yes. True.

I'm wondering how many games Gorges actually played NOT injured. Seemed he was fighting though an injury most of the games he played.
- HonkFortheGoose

beat me to it.

I agree with 89 as usual.

Defense is the toughest group to collect and develop. When we traded Myers, we did get Bogo in return but Pysk is just too smooth, he has actually played in the NHL and not just played, he was VERY GOOD!

Mantha hasn't played an NHL game, if we were to entertain moving an NHL ready D-Man for a prospect, there would NEED to be more coming back than an impressive mid level 1st Rd pick who has struggled to show 110% effort in his first pro season.

I'm by no means suggesting he won't be a solid player, but until he gets past his year long issues, so noted by his employer, and then plays and plays well in the NHL, he is not near the VALUE of Mark Pysk!

Unless TM feels we have too many D prospects and not enough forwards in the pipeline, i'd pass. we have enough "project players" to work on. If Detroit is starting to question the development of a player, I would question it too.
I'd prefer to see TM trade away any combination of players for someone who can join the team right now. if he's looking to trade a prospect for a prospect, then is must be due to a lack of players in a specific position.
- seedy

if not mistaken, murray's after players in a specific age-range this season...wanna say that 24-25 seems to be the ceiling...mantha will be 21 in September, which, for me, is right in Murray's wheel house

I'm wondering how many games Gorges actually played NOT injured. Seemed he was fighting though an injury most of the games he played.
- HonkFortheGoose

NOt to mention hes not an offensive D man so if people are looking for points they are not looking in the right place.

keep seeing that brought up...and how Nolan sucked...

major point of last season: had this team played any better, had been coached any better or had the coach been given better players, we'd be up in arms about how this organization totally blew it in the mceichel sweepstakes

true?
- Michael Pachla

Absolutely.

However, that didn't stop me from wanting to see players show they can actually play. Larsson's and Ristolainen's development toward the end was extremely fun to watch. Gionta tore it up too, which you want to see from your veteran and captain.

Gorges wasn't Weber bad. But you need a steadying presence on defense, and that's why you keep Pysyk IMO.

edit: Forgot he was playing injured. We'll see what he brings next season I guess.

Unless TM feels we have too many D prospects and not enough forwards in the pipeline, i'd pass. we have enough "project players" to work on. If Detroit is starting to question the development of a player, I would question it too.
I'd prefer to see TM trade away any combination of players for someone who can join the team right now. if he's looking to trade a prospect for a prospect, then is must be due to a lack of players in a specific position.
- seedy

I don't think they're questioning his development so much as saying what aspects of his game they'd like to see him improve on. If we could package up some picks or something to get him, I'd be fine with that, but I'm in no way moving Pysyk for him. At all. Ever.

As a matter of fact, I mentioned this over a week ago, but I'd have to be blown away at what we're getting in return for Pysyk to not have a problem with moving him.